former republican congressman no longer affiliated with the party. let's start with them. this is the committee's statement on congressman scott perry today. it says representative perry has information directly relevant to our investigation if members with directly relevant information decline to cooperate and instead endeavor to cover up the select committee will consider seeking such information using other tools. joyce vance, other tools could mean another contempt of congress, citation for this man. he's a current representative. what could these folks who refuse to cooperate potentially be facing in terms of legal charges? >> i suspect what happens next here is a subpoena to sort of ratchet up the level of compulsion. so it seems very likely that they had a plan in advance and