other side we'll talk about it. how much hope do you have at least in the first three months of 2022 that build back better can be negotiated and passed and become law? >> when i leave this interview, i'll go to the interweb and look for the phone number to the ghost of christmas past, present and future or the email address to go see about scrooge on christmas eve -- sorry, not scrooge, senator mansion. >> i know what you're talking about. >> julie, real fast, the likelihood build back better getting a vote next year either in whole or in pieces. likely? >> yeah, look, it depends on who you talk to, right? one important thing michelle said is something that speaker pelosi actually floated earlier in the fall, this idea of doing fewer programs for a longer period of time. it wasn't just a joe mansion idea. that idea is still very much alive and well and my sources