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democrats can get through this build back better act, which a lot of what it addresses feels like it's about this. i remember you and i talked almost a year ago now about the restaurant act and having to like try to help people at every level of the food chain. you need to make sure that the restaurant workers can still work, that the people who do the meatpacking can still work and making sure it all kind of works. and there was some help for people back then and ppp, et cetera. but now it's like how are we having this fight about whether to extend, let's say, the child tax credit, give people a little more money to buy food with? does it strike you as just insane that we are still dithering about whether or not to spend more money to make sure that people can get three square meals a day? >> i think it's beyond insane. you and i have talked about this so many times. i've used the word criminal when we talk about hunger. it is not a problem that we don't have a solution to. we have enough food in america. we don't have the political will

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