wait it out. maybe i'll go ahead and violate this law. maybe i'll go to jail and i'll just take it because he's operating under the same crazy fox news world assumption that he can just wait it out, thug it out, go to jail and donald trump will magically come back into power or come back into power because they steal the election and pardon him. if he's thinking that, would he be crazy to think that? >> you know, well, the short answer is all of this is a stalling tactic. i mean, as you said, there is no executive privilege here and there is no defense for steve bannon, but the point is they're trying to run out the clock and this will go through a judicial process and the wheels of justice can turn too slowly when we have the kind of election cycle we're looking at right now and that is exactly what they're banking on. they're not banking on legal arguments that hold any water. frankly, they're just banking on