but what's interesting is the denial, the not wanting to talk about it wasn't just young white people. when i was growing up, young black people, i remember feeling embarrassed and uncomfortable and ashamed about discussions about slavery, and feeling like it was something maybe if we just didn't talk about it it would go away, but we all know it won't. >> you know, rachel, it is an interesting point that was made, and i think the film really does drive it home is that slavery, enslavement has always been sort of shuffled off as a black people's story. this is a story of black americans and doesn't have a whole lot to do with white people, when enslavement is something white people did, and it feels like that's part of the reason we can't get anywhere when it comes to educating young people, and educating grown people about slavery because there is a resistance on the white side of the ledger to talking about white people when it comes to it. >> i think it's a mistake to