be told your executive privilege claim is denied. you don't get to claim it. how is it possible he and donald trump seem not to understand that? >> i think the problem is that they do understand it, joy, but they've learned over the years that playing a delay game with the courts serves their purposes when they're trying to avoid doing something here. that's why congressmen schiff is dead on the money here and why it will be so important if the committee makes a request to the justice department to bring a criminal contempt proceeding, that would actually be a prosecution of bannon for criminal contempt that would subject him for up to a year in prison. it would be important for doj to proceed. the madness has gone on long enough. it's time to tell trump no and in this case, it means steve bannon and other witnesses need to sit down and testify on congress. >> elie, what do you make of the donald trump lawsuit? he's saying executive privilege