prosecutions at a higher level, including donald trump, i wonder if there is no way that even the most damning possible report by this inquiry makes a difference if folks aren't actually prosecutors. there are real consequences for people with power. >> yeah, people ought to be prosecuted. of course it's going to be under the cloud of a possible future trump presidency where you would very clearly use his pardon power to wipe out those convictions. so the criminal justice system ought to be pursued, but it's a cram shoot. i think that what democrats need to understand is the magnitude of this threat and the fact that it is a legitimate use of their power to change the laws, for example, that will allow this kind of gamesmanship, were the kind of things that we saw in that john eastman memo, which by the way needs to get a lot more attention. they put it in writing. they put their coup plan in writing. we have it. i don't know why it's not on the front page of every newspaper in the country.