nuclear weapons. people fear escalation. at the end of the day it's going to be the ukrainians and their bravery and dedication to this very old idea, the idea of sovereignty, freedom. it will be their dedication to that that determines what happens vladimir putin has made the that the west has cornered him. i'll put that hang out command to show that nato looks like. that the west had some sort of agreement that they would not get that close to russia. and then that what -- the ukraine will never join nato. one thing to see that picture. there are that ukraine is not a nato country. it's in between eastern europe and russia that's not really true, this isn't really about ukraine and nato is a? >> no, it's not about ukraine in fact a few days ago the german chancellor was in moscow and he said look as long as i -- ukraine will never be a nato. so essentially made that promise that had no impact. that's really not what this is. about it's not --