continued effort by vladimir putin to set up his forces for an invasion. that would be an offensive operation by russia, not a defensive. one >> yeah, the biden white house is aggressively countering this russian strategy, right? i guess, i wonder, is it to another audience, to an international audience? does it become a game of he said he said? is anybody actively believing the russians, at this point? the u.s. has been countering, every day, with information, and it's being radically transparent about it. does russia -- is their game working? do you think it's possible that they're able to convince anybody that they're operating from a defensive position, rather than offensive one? >> here's the thing i say, alex. i once sat in the white house, and was responsible for this battle over international pinion. the russians probably assume that most americans trust the u.s. government over the russian government. their audiences in europe. their audience is around the