for instance, people were very interested in, how could a plot like this possibly succeed? if it's a seditious conspiracy, do they have a chance of, in fact, overthrowing the government? if you're sitting on the side of an ordinary person, with a mainstream political view, it seems very wild to think that a small group of people could pose a threat to the most militarized super state in history. if you are this group of white power activists, they have a plan for -- guerrilla warfare, disrupting infrastructure, or sabotaging assassination, and they took a long view of gradual destabilization leading to race war, that they believed could work. this question of ability to carry out plan came into play in ways that were not translated very well, for instance, -- >> all right. although, the psychological barrier of being able to