like -- well, it looks like we're in for as-yet unprecedented times. joining us now is dr. ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. jha, thank you for being here tonight, as always. >> thank you for having me back, rachel. >> am i looking at this the right way? i felt like i took great comfort from the early numbers in new york city when they started seeing their case numbers skyrocket and they did not see hospitalization numbers rise in parallel. i feel like those numbers, which i've been looking at ever since, in every jurisdiction where they're having big new waves of cases, have started making me feel much less comfortable than i did before. >> yeah, i think that lead-up there was terrific and really helpful. and here is how i've thought about it. first of all, why is dr. fauci even saying that we need to focus more on hospitalizations? we are seeing a little bit of a breaking of the link between cases and hospitalizations. you know, all through the delta wave, throughout the entire pandemic, we could look at infections today and predict how many people would get