>> the question we have, and we've had this discussion after the conviction of derek chauvin. in addition to their deaths being accounted for, do these verdicts have an impact on the way others may act? did derek chauvin's verdict have an impact on how other police will act? will this change -- will the change of the citizen's arrest law and this verdict cause people to think again before they take the life of a black person in this country? >> it's a step in the right direction, albeit a baby step. we need to reform our justice system. we need police reform. we need more accountable d.a.s. there's much more work to do. for many individuals across the country, if the verdict would have been different, it would have given license for vigilante violence. fortunately, this jury halted that flood gate of individuals