public.ll i know there's a lot going on right now, but this lawsuit hitting the nra right now feelst like a consequential freaking deal. joining us now is david pecino, senior staff attorney at the giffords law center which brought this suit. i appreciate you making time ds tonight. thanks very much. >> thanks for having me. >> i'm not an expert in these y matters, either in campaign finance law and i'm not a lawyer in terms of explaining these things. i just want to ask you if i got anything wrong in explaining how this is working. s >> no, that was exactly right. i mean, it's a really complex scheme on paper, but in part the nra was using the same people who were working for campaigns to place their independent spending. so the same person on friday that would be making an ad by for the campaign would turn around and make an ad by for the nra. as you pointed out, that's sfo impossible. so it was a really blatant violation of the law.a the fact that they used these shell companies to hide it makes