one of the things that's unique about the case is there is a broad swath of defendants, they're not going after, you know, a single entity, a single defendant who had a key role in organizing those things, it is a murderer's row of neo-nazi leaders, white supremacist organizers, and the organizations that they have been able to cobble together over the years. obviously if this litigation is successful, it's going to be daect blow to a lot of the groups because they'll never be able to have a dollar to their names. what do you make of that as that sort of broad strategy they're taking, taking on the whole movement all at once? >> i think it's sending a very strong signal to folks in that movement that survivors will speak out, survivors will use their voices and use every avenue available to them including litigation to hold people accountable. luckily defendants like andrew england have been forced into the shadows because of letgation like the case i was able to bring, like the case that's