center of that, and he's working very hard to get us to resolution. >> do you believe that senator manchin wants to pass the build back better act? you said at the very top of your remarks there that you believe that both of these things will pass. if he doesn't want build back better to pass, it won't pass. do you believe he wants a bill and it's just a matter of finding what it is exactly that he can say yes to? >> yes, i do believe that, and i don't think he would have all of those discussions if that wasn't the case. there are differences. some of them have been reported in the papers. there are differences in terms of what our states -- i mean one of the things that's always interesting to me, you know, when i'm talking to people that are from very different states is just to listen and hear, okay, what is it like in your state and visa versa. and so i think that is an important part of getting to