had last seen him in public. do you believe, looking back on it, that mueller shouldn't have led that inquiry, it should have been somebody else, or is your regret only that somebody else should have testified about the content of the report? >> my regret only is in forcing him to testify when i could understand the moment he did, why his staff had been so reluctant. he wasn't able to bring the report really fully to life. he just wasn't the same man that i knew from years earlier. and that's my regret, is forcing him to testify that way. i think he led a brilliant investigation. i think he is a man of just incredible integrity. the thing that strikes me, too, and you mentioned bill barr, is in very much the same way that donald trump imagined -- imagines everyone is like him, everyone lies like he does, everyone is corrupt like he is, i think that bob mueller, being