striking the pipeline might be responsible for the breach. state and federal officials have launched a criminal investigation into this leak and "the l.a. times" reported just within the past hour that a branch of the california department of fish and wildlife, quote, observed sheen in federal waters several miles off the coast of huntington beach as early as friday night. but the coast guard was not notified until saturday when the company that owns the pipeline reached out. so all hands on deck to try to contain this thing right now, but every time there is a spill like this, it makes you wonder whether our obsession with oil is worth the inherent danger of the infrastructure that fuels it. joining us now is jacqueline savage, chief policy officer for north america and international advocacy organization focused on ocean conservation. thank you for being with us tonight, and look, i say this as somebody who consumes oil. i've got a carbon footprint like we all do. we have to understand this, there are leaks all the time.