we provided for japan's defense and nuclear deterrent. we implicitly steered its foreign policy. we wrote the rules of global capitalism that had allowed them to thrive. we developed the technologies that were reshaping how their companies managed information. we shaped the culture of international business that led us to be sitting there wearing business suits in a hotel conference room that could have been anywhere. they could tolerate acts of temporary insanity -- the invasion of iraq, for instance. they could weather the results of our excesses, the financial crisis for instance. but they could not gamble o know a country that had elevated someone like trump, who praised fascists marching in the streets and steered the national discourse into the depths of conspiracy theory. that was more dangerous than north korea, and nothing i could say was going to convince them otherwise. that's from the new book "after the fall" by ben rhodes that comes out tomorrow. ben rhodes joins us live here next. stay with us.