question, and did you have a concern with ambassador bolton after this meeting? answer, i did. question, describe that. answer, ambassador sondland said to ambassador kurt volker and also secretary of energy rick perry and the other people who were with him, including the ukrainians, to come down to a room in the white house, the ward room, to basically talk about next steps. that is also unusual. i mean, he meant to talk to the ukrainians about next steps about meeting? question, the white house meeting? answer, yes, the white house meeting. meaning the white house meeting between president trump and president zelensky, which gordon sondland had just blurted out could only happen -- that meeting could only happen -- if ukraine started these investigations. he just said it explicitly and said it had all been arranged already through white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. hill says quote, bolton pulled me back as i was walking out afterwards and said, go down to the ward room right now and find out what they are talkingabil a