gives lie to that. that shows that this is not at all the way that normal government interactions happen with a foreign government, particularly a government like ukraine. what the president did was both weird and shocking and objected to instantly by people, by non-partisan career folks, who know how these things are supposed to work. here's her talking about meeting at the white house on july 10th. she said quote, ambassador sondland blurted out, well, we have an agreement with the chief of staff, meaning white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, for a meeting if these investigations in the energy sector start. hill said, quote, we all kind of looked up and thought that was somewhat odd. and ambassador bolton, then national security advisor john bolton, immediately stiffened and he ended the meeting. question to fiona hill. right then, he just ended the meeting? answer, yeah, he said well it was very nice to meet you. i can't discuss a meeting at this time. she said it was quote, very abrupt.