else. is this man above the law or not, or are we all subject to the rule of law? that's what's fundamentally at stake right now. >> as the house pursues impeachment, is there a way to do that in a way that is maximally bolstering of the rule of law in a long-standing way? >> i think there is. i think it's important to enunciate what the principles of what we're doing are all the time. i realize for political reasons it makes sense to focus on this ukraine issue because basically the president confessed to it. >> caught and then admitted it and then proved that he did it. >> yeah. if you confess in the back of a squad car, you're innocent. but that's not how it works. i understand the temptation because the whistle-blower report tells you everything you need to do. but i do think it's important to remember this is in a larger context of a whole series of things which show score and for the idea of law. that story that just broke today telling the russians that it's okay to interfere in our elections, that's just a very