what we're dealing with actually is a weapon. it's a weapon that is used to undermine human rights. it's a weapon that is used to undermine fair trial, to undermine democratic price supports and to violate freedom of the press. the best way to look at it is as a weapon and the weapon is to be regulated, and the moment it's published, there's no control and no regulation, and basically everything that they want at the moment with a particular weapon. we need the moratorium while we're developing the regulatory framework at international level but we also need that at the national level. >> and the french president emmanuel macron who has been identified as being one of these potential numbers on the list, he's getting a new phone as i'm sure many people are on the list of 50,000 numbers. how worried are you about your own phone and what measures should people like yourself