>> yes. >> meanwhile, the president who authorized that gruesome torture and still defends waterboarding, george w. bush, is busy being rehabilitated in liberal circles painting pictures and swapping cough drops with michelle obama. >> you are right. as i said, it's crazy the twists and turns that life takes. this is more a reflection on the four years of a donald trump presidency, where so many of us thought that things couldn't get any worse than the neo con administration of george w. bush, and indeed they got a lot worse. so george w. bush hasn't even had to do anything like apologize, for example, to redeem himself. >> so true. so true. of course, there was the problem that no one got prosecuted by the obama administration that came in after bush, except you, which was ridiculous. let me ask you this. you mentioned trump. you tried to got a pardon. you have gone on record about how you made several attempts to get pardoned.