and human diseases and interplay between the two of them. we can read that correspondence and move forward. there's no need to threaten the chinese with sanctions, anything like that, just look at what the grants asked for and what the grant reports said and move forward, we'll learn more. >> and this kind of research on viruses and seeing what's involved in making those viruses more potent was considered positive and useful research by scientific communities around the world, including in the united states. but there was also another group of scientists who looked at this research over time and said you know, we understand why you want to do it, what the benefits can be, we get that. we do however find it too risky and we find the chances of a