world war ii? was our massive national mobilization against germany central to snuffing out this right wing extremism? would something of a similar scale be required next time? >> that's very interesting question. it kind of cuts both ways, i think, in history. the investigations that have the whole basis for the first half of the podcast all started before the u.s. got into world war two. but the actual great sedition trial, that's the sort of basis for the back half the podcast, it takes place starting in 1944, during most of 1944, by which point or deep into the war, and part of the way they brought those charges was not just that there were ultra right fascist groups planning to overthrow the u.s. government, but there are doing so in conspiracy with the nazis, what the hit government in germany, which we were then at war with.