media that would simply amplify their claim, that wind subject and to any traditional journalistic scrutiny. in the 90s, that medium was talk radio, fox news wasn't invented until 1996, that eventually supplanted it. but he really was a bridge figure to trump and he was an important figure in getting the party to embrace trump. when trump first ran for president in 2016, most republican elites were disgusted by him and said we would never accept him. and gingrich was one of the first people, as i know, he's really got something to say, we should listen to this guy. so he knew in which direction the party was head again. >> and prove there that mute gingrich never believed in any principles of governing whatsoever, none of the policy positions he claimed he believed and when he was in office himself since trump