to hold out. to see textures in that room, tim kang, angus king, that is a very important part of that dynamic. along with elizabeth warren and others. >> yeah. just look at maggie hassan. maggie hassan was sort of the prototypical moderate, senate democrat. she's up for reelection, she is incredibly practical. she is a low profile workhorse. senator who focuses on getting things done in new hampshire. has been in the past, totally opposed to any senate rules. within just the last couple of months, she came on the show, came on my show. it explained why she believed on voting rights and election protection specifically, particularly around the risk of election subversion that president biden was talking about today. now sees it as no question that the rules have to be changed. so this can be passed by majority rule. maggie hassan embodies the change that so many of these moderates, including tester and warner and cain and the others