necessary, he certainly had his own boundaries, but they were broader than most politicians' boundaries were in terms of what they were willing to say and do to get things done. and that was who he was. and to the end, i have to tell you, that's who he was until the end. >> you know, faiz, we're going to take some more time, because this is an incredible conversation about an incredible american and incredible leader, an incredible statesman. faiz, progress is easier to observe in the rear view mirror. but how has the democratic party progressed from 2008, 2009 to now? >> yeah, i think in harry reid you had a class-faced warrior. some of those class politics have been lost a little bit. but in him you talk about he was upset mitt romney, a wealthy person, entitled, he had a