and this is the disconcerting part, and i think if we actually look at the way in which some judges have ruled in cases involving incest, it's quite striking the very limited sentencing that some of these fathers get. >> professor, one of the things that i was feeling was that certainly the republican-appointed justices have no comprehension of and no curiosity about the real lives of little girls and women who do not have financial resources, who do not have choices in life generally, never mind in their particular states, the choice of abortion services. >> that's right. and i think it's really important to read judge carlton reeves' lower court opinion in the mississippi case. the reason it has not gone into effect is there is a judge, judge reeves, who wrote a stunning opinion with wonderful footnotes, identifying how harsh