not seen a case like this. they have to nixon cases, one while he was president. and another one he was a former president. so neither one of those cases fit exactly what we are talking about here. and it seemed to me, that the judges spent an enormous amount of time today in a very repetitive discussion simply because this exact case had never passed through the court before. >> yes, that is right lawrence. this really is a case of first impression. this isn't it's a good case -- usually in executive cases you are seeing the core trying to mediate between two branches of government. the executive branch of the legislative branch. they have different priorities, equities. and the courts are asking to intervene to help to bounce those equities. the executive branch at this point representative joe biden,