joining us now is ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama. he is an msnbc political analyst. ben, i just want to get your reaction as someone who took that oath of office to work as national security adviser to seeing what jared kushner is doing with the contact list that he built while he was working in the white house. >> well, lawrence, unfortunately, it's not surprising, but it is disgusting, and it's corruption on a massive scale. i think what you have to understand here, and i think a lot of us felt this at the time, with the saudis often the payoff for doing their bidding is on the back end. and if you look at the trump record in which jared was running point in the mohammad bin salman relationship, you saw the coverage for the saudis a telephone murder of jamal khashoggi. you saw them doing their bidding