best for our country in that moment in time. it was very eloquent, he spoke from the heart, and also from the mind, and the experience that he had in public service over so many decades. it was seismic. we were so excited. as they held a tribute at that moment in the campaign. and really, for someone of his stature, his gravitas, the senior statesman in the republican party to be willing to support the candidate of the other party and give him reasons. what it was a good moment for the campaign. and for the country. >> so valerie let me stay with us for a second, so you learned at the same time we did, when he told did on meet the press, he knew at the same moment, no prior, no tip off from paul to -- >> they were shaking his head. he had his counsel very close. and i think as though he did not want to be influenced.