actually like these kind of proposals, because if you say that i want this, this, and this and i want this low spending number, that for me was great. i would just concentrate on so you want this, this, this and, this and it's kind of like selling a house. and you kind of go well, well this is how much it costs. so i can take encouragement from those things that you see as cynical. >> so you are seeing the sausage being made before, and i'm seeing the sausage and saying oh that's terrible. >> and i am not saying that it's not cynical, what i'm saying is is that it looks flexible to me. i just look for flexibility when they are saying these things. and the things that make it really difficult is when someone says, i am absolutely opposed to x. and there is no room. there's like no room in at all, an absolute no. then you are not going to be able to have that provision if you need that vote from that person. >> the question is whether or not joe mention is absolutely