beast and norm ornstein, congressional historian, emeritus scholar. norm, we are getting lost here. i've got a possible government shutdown on october 1st. eight at the ceiling that needs to be adjusted. we've got the biden infrastructure bills with meetings you could almost call emergency meetings at the white house tomorrow. the president but the democrats in the house and senate who need to be brought together on infrastructure. tell us what's going to happen on all of it? we need to know. dust needs to clear right here, right now. >> i'm a little concerned about the debt ceiling, lawrence. this is not the first time mitch mcconnell used the debt ceiling as a hostage. he did it during the obama, years said it was all right to do so. that's playing with fire and it's a reflection of the fact republicans are happy to throw the country into chaos if they can gain any political