states and all his allies in congress and right wing media egging on these big lies and encouraging people to turn out to an event like this. trump is more or less out of the picture at this point, doing his thing on the side but certainly not the social pariah that he once was. and the guy who is putting together this rally, matt brainard, he simply doesn't have the clout required to draw that kind of crowd. and a lot of the same extremist groups that participated in january 6 have been very clear with their members that they should not go to this, that a lot of the trials for their members that participated in january 6 are still ongoing. and this, if their members show up and cause trouble again, is just going to mess all of that up while they're trying to figure out a way out of the situation they've dug themselves into. >> and so then, paul, given what jared just said, do you think that deterrence works, that these, the arrests and the