obviously over the last several years. but i think what's really important about this book is it paints a picture of continual -- a continual desire to break the rules. and a central question before the house and eventually the senate is, you know, do we prescribe the president's behavior now or wait until the election? republicans already are saying let's let the election decide this. what's really crucial about this book is it shows donald trump will break the rules until he's stopped. he will engage in illegal activity until he's stopped. and if this doesn't stop him, we shouldn't just rely on him letting the election go, he will try to break the rules again. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. and when we come back, president trump's lies about career officials in the government being part of some deep state scheming against him. that's the topic of an important new book by pulitzer prizewinner james b. stuart, he joins us