other day. in fact, i should play it again just to remind everybody exactly how this is being characterized as ukraine theory. >> some of you on this committee appear to believe that russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country and that perhaps somehow for some reason ukraine did. this is fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the russian security services themselves. >> a fictional narrative that is being pushed by russia, ben. what's going on? >> well,icat katey, what's goin this theory that ukraine was behind the interference in our election is a russian disinformation campaign. let's be clear mike pompeo and donald trump are propagated a russian disinformation campaign for them. it's a sign of kind of how far we've fallen in terms of our politics that you can have something originating in moskow that is being spread by the secretary of state and united states who's supposed to be