election. >> yeah, and he did it openly. that's the key thing. the russian attack as bob mueller characterized it was systematic and sweeping. it involved illegal activity, stealing e-mails, releasing them -- >> this was the op-ed. >> it's from an op-ed. we have just now all three of us fallen into the trap. we're discussing it and we're trying to explain what's there and isn't there and getting into details. when donald trump and i sat through this all week, jim jordan, devin nunes and the republicans on the panel and others, all they do is try to string together in a very word solid nefarious way terms and names. steele, ukraine, meddling, op-eds, tweets, money and they try to create an impression -- >> however, unfortunately it's something you can't get away from because it's in the main pm stream now. >> because the president himself is doing this. and they are just trying to