educated people, smart people who continue to believe this bunk that fiona hill told congress, and she is as senior and learned as you get on this, it's not true. it is a fiction. it is perpetrated by russia to have people believe that somehow ukraine, which is in a war with russia, in dispute with russia was the one involved in hacking the election or interfering in the u.s. election. what more, michael, can you say to people who continue to believe this or perpetrate this? >> there are several different stranlds to this conspiracy theory. the most -- i hesitate to use the word legitimate, but the most kind of credible one the then ukrainian ambassador to the united states wrote an op-ed castigating donald trump for comments he made which are rather bizarre and also contradictory. number one donald trump, then candidate trump said most crimeans want to be part of russia just legitimizizing and