as long as this process plays out, if the president can attack lieutenant colonel vindman with a purple heart, he can attack anyone. he will. >> and ned, this can be said of all the witnesses today. no matter what you think of their particular credibility points you might want to challenge, they all have stepped up where john bolton has refused. i mean, when you look at tim morrison, he's in exactly the same status. i mean precisely the same status as john bolton. he no longer works in the government, no longer works in the white house. he had a job right under bolton's jurisdiction and there he is in the witness chair. there he is. he's not sitting there with his $2 million book deal in new york the way john bolton is. >> john bolton you alluded to has stepped up in a couple of da days. and we understand during that talk he talked about president trump's affinity for the turks not because he favors u.s. foreign policy towards turkey