i think it will not take much time for the supreme court to toss this case out, although courts do not always act as swiftly as the federal courts in new york have acted. so i think the key thing to remember is that nothing about the impeachment proceedings needs to await the judicial rulings. these tax returns will come out, whether they come out before or after the president is impeached is almost a sideline, not a matter of great significance. >> i know that judge katzmann's ruling was very narrow, and he emphasized that. he actually used the word "narrow" in describing it. >> right. >> isn't that a judicial strategy when you're handing it to the court above to give the supreme court a very narrow case to rule on? >> right. because the only way the supreme court could find any hook to reverse is by looking at broad implications of this ruling, but the ruling itself is so indisputably correct that no one of the nine justices could plausibly come up with any