the arguments, you have judge katzmann with a 35-page opinion today upholding the lower court and saying yes, they must hand these over. and nowhere in these two decisions does there seem to be any space for the supreme court to rule in another direction. >> i think that's clearly right. judge marrero wrote a brilliant decision, making it very easy for the court of appeals to reject the quite absurd position by the president's lawyers that just being president means you can't be investigated, even for your tax violations, your criminal activity when a grand jury, a state grand jury is investigating the matter. it was an extreme position, and the court of appeals rendered so narrow a ruling that there is no basis at all for the u.s. supreme court to disagree. i think it will not take much time for the supreme court to