steadfastness as someone who supports them in a difficult world. they're not all angels, but the reality is that we've made a commitment to them. and i think what this testimony did was to actually give you a sense -- this isn't like watergate break in, or sex with clinton. this is life and death for a people that bill taylor happens to be very, very loyal to and supportive. not as loyal as he is to the united states of america, but he loves ukrainian people. i visited when he was the ambassador in ukraine. i could see when he had people around the table from different political parties how much they trusted and respected him. i think he made that come to life when he talked about that visit to the front lines. >> senator bill bradley, great to be with you again. usually when we were working together at 10:00 p.m., it would be on the senate floor trying to