leading off our discussion, democratic congressman denny heck of washington. he's a member of the house intelligence committee. he was present today for gordon sondland's deposition. also joining us ambassador wendy shurmur, former undersecretary of state and neal cattial, former acting attorney general, msnbc legal contributor. and congressman heck, let me start with you. and i don't want to go directly to what happened in the sondland deposition. i hope you can tell us what you know about that. when you were in that deposition and you heard about what mick mulvaney was saying at the white house, first of all, how did you hear about it, how did that word come into the members who were in that room and what was your reaction to it when you heard it? >> it was right when we were returning from a break and somebody brought in a memo which