following, and i've said this loud and clear. we have our ambassadors here. we have mike pence here. why are we the only ones that give the big money to the ukraine? >> when donald trump says your conversation was perfect, you are in trouble. eugene robinson and norm orrin stein thought they had seen it all in impeachment investigations and then came donald trump. they will join us after this final break to guide us along the road to impeachment and what appears to be a fork in that road tonight where the vice-president just might be making a choice to go in a different direction than the president, and so might some republicans in congress. that's next. too many people in pain settle