>> that's right, and i think the average helps. i also think just the totality, the direction. lawrence, you mentioned the ugov economist poll as well as this monmouth poll both showing very, very close races in our polling. my rule of thumb is normally let's wait for three. if all of a sudden there's one more that comes out, i'll say, boy, we have a race on our hands. but lawrence, what actually stands out to me right now really is just how stable this field has been, with the exception of elizabeth warren and her improvement. kamala harris taking off after that first debate ask thnd then coming back down to earth after the second one. but overall the polls have been pretty stable with this field. when this field gets winnowed down to ten people, then six and four until we get to iowa. >> for elizabeth warren, a huge crowd, 15,000.