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if this were to happen again and the justice department were to make the same request and you have this kind of convincing video and a city with a sense of urgency about it, what you would do differently? >> at this point, lawrence, i don't believe that the united states department of justice is dispensing justice anymore. there is no conceivable way they could take five years to decide to do nothing. that's unacceptable from my point of view. we would not honor the request in the future. but lawrence, the key is not to have another eric garner case. to do things so differently that we never have this kind of tragedy again. and i think it's important for all your viewers to understand these situations can be changed through all deescalation. we retrained after the tragedy of eric garner to dekaes late any kind of situation that the community, dekaes late exactly what you saw on camera there. now that would be handled very differently. there's a body camera on every

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