last two years. >> reports of the death of the democratic party are premature. they are exaggerated. >> on halloween, less than 48 hours from the election, democrats are trying to ward off bad spirits. >> i'm christine o'donnell. i'm not a witch. >> and stop their worst nightmare. >> ladies and gentlemen, the next speaker of the house, john boehner. [ screams from the crowd ] ♪ >> democrats are still fighting to prevent that from happening, in the final weekend, democrats are on a mission to rally the base. >> hello, philadelphia. go out there and do the hard work. >> it is great to be back in connecticut. >> chicago, i need to you keep on fighting. illinois, i need you to keep on believing. >> against the democratic campaign blitz. a republican drive hoping the tea party has the magic potion to take the house and the senate. >> we have a lot of similarities, folks? we're all proudly clinging to our guns, god and constitution. >> the republican mission, convince voters they have concurred their own demons. >> top priority was beating me in the next election. he didn't say the house was his top priority, improving the economy was his top priority. >> the biggest rally of the weekend not democratic or republican. so what was it? >> bow before us minions. >> no, don't. there's no bowing, no kneeling to reasonable people. >> the voters choice, stick with the democrats you know or the devils you don't. >> before you start belly aching about the direction our country's going in, i'd like you to answer the joe biden checklist. one, are you above ground? and that's it. [ laughter ] >> that's all i got. >> as millions of dollars worth of tv ads and get out the vote efforts bombard voters and what the democratic cen torial campaign chairman is calling a dogfight to maintain control of the senate on tuesday, all under the cloud of heightened terror threats, americans came together yesterday to mock dogfights, fear and the "political pundit perpetual panic conflictinator." at the rallies to restore sanity and/or fear. jon stewart's remarks including biting criticism of washington and the media. >> we hear every day about how fragile our country is on the brink of catastrophe, torn by polarizing hate. and how it's a shame that we can't work together to get things done. the truth is, we do. we work together to get things done every day. the only place we don't is here or on cable tv. >> stewart's speech became the most surprisingly eloquent speech since barack obama's 2004 address to the democratic national convention. it revealed an obvious truth, a deeper truth that most politicians can't, won't recognize. they see politics as a zero sum game as vote mining and must pretend there is a constant and sharp division among us. jon stewart said politics is the least meaningful distinction among us, and we know this at our core. >> but this is us. every one of the cars that you see is filled with individuals of strong belief and principles they hold dear. often principles and beliefs in direct opposition to their fellow travelers. and yet these millions of cars must somehow find a way to squeeze one by one into a mile long 30-foot wide tunnel carved underneath a mighty river. carved by people, by the way, who i'm sure had their differences. and they do it, concession by concession. you go then i'll go. you go then i'll go. you go then i'll go. oh, my god, is that an nra sticker on your car? is that an obama sticker on your car? that's okay, you go and then i'll go. we know, instinctively as a people that if we are to get through the darkness and back into the light, we have to work together and the truth is, there will always be darkness. and sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel isn't the promised land. >> joining me now an associate editor for the column newspaper and white house correspondent. alex, you were at the rally to restore sanity and/or fear. i found that moment where jon stewart got to the concept of you go then i'll go, this very simple eloquence. i found that to be a moving description of how we live day to day. what was it like to be on the ground at that time and throughout the rest of the event? >> it was a land of positive vibes in the national mall. if you were looking for a rejoinder to glenn beck's rally this was it. not so much because it was a message of hope. but because it was a genuine and soft spoken plea for moderation, my favorite sign of the day was, someone carrying around a board that said barack obama is probably not going to destroy the country. i mean, it was a testament to the folks that were down there, and the fact that there was a search for a middle ground. i mean, i think there wasn't a lot of pontiffication, there wasn't a lot of emotion, but it was very calm. people were having fun. it was a gorgeous day on the mall too. that didn't hurt. the tenor of it was really quite remarkable for its sort of calmness. >> and the entertainment was great. i expected to just sample it, watch a little bit of it, i was at home. i ended up watching all three hours, getting all my laundry done while i was watching. the comedy was great, the musicians were amazing. tony bennett at 86 coming out there and closing. was all that -- sometimes the acoustics of this outdoors is pretty bad. i'm wondering whether i had a better experience watching on tv than some of the crowd did way back there? >> there were some moments where my own sanity was frayed because the jumbotrons and loud speakers were not up to snuff as some those larger rallies tend to be. one of the most remarkable things about this rally is, you have hundreds of thousands of people coming out for it, with not one piece of direct mail, you don't have a headquarters organizing this. this was a general show of enthusiasm from the moderate electorate. >> many of us would love to be able to vote for a politician like jon stewart who clearly understands america better than the partisan flame throwers do. do you think any politicians are going to look at his speech? certain passages of it? and realize that they actually just saw a model performance that could be a winner? >> i don't think so before tuesday, lawrence. i think this was interesting timing. why was this held before an election to be a political event. if you're a partisan or left of center voter, you're ready for a blood bath on tuesday, why were you driving long distances for this this weekend? this is a rally that could have been held at any time. in terms of weather or not this message could take hold in the months or years to come. i think many us hope so, and many of us registered in either party are fed up with both parties. i think the problem is, that in this volatile elector at, where we see these power shifts swinging back and forth. the republicans could come in now. is it going to change stubborn joblessness. will they have an easy time of it? what we could see happening as a result is both parties tuning out the system just frustrated that both parties fail at solving the large problems and working together. it's a nice message. i don't know what it does, ultimately to move the system. >> we have late breaking sarah palin news. she claims she has a tape of a local reporter in alaska plotting to find a child molester in the crowd, the joe miller crowd at a campaign event. it sounds like two reporters joking about how they're going to cover the event. but this is exactly the kind of stuff that fuels the tea party's hatred of the media, isn't it? >> absolutely. i think sarah palin is like indiana jones and the lost ark is the liberal media. this is the albatross around her neck. she's been on a campaign against the so-called liberal media and the conspiracy of the liberal media to denegrate the party. we have yet to hear the actual audio. sarah was on fox news earlier today calling the liberal media a bunch of conniving bastards or crooked bastards. which was quite shocking for sarah palin. >> a.b., the alaska senate race is like something we've never seen. the republican incumbent ends up losing in the primary, to a relative unknown compared to her, joe miller. now, lisa murkowski is on the write-in ballot, which it turns out so are 2,000 other people. and she may pull this thing out. if lisa murkowski wins this election and is returned to washington, are republicans going to have some problems with her in the caucus because they abandoned her after the primary and what happens to her if she returns? >> well, i mean, they were poised a few weeks ago to kick her out of the leadership position on one of the committees and decided against it. remember also, that there are so many members of the republican freshman class who are establishment figures, congressmen, mark kirk in illinois should he win. rob portman in ohio should he win. john boouseman should he win. if you look at them, i don't expect this is going to be a big tea party caucus on the senate side. certainly some tea party backed candidates will win. they will have strong opinions, give mitch mcconnell the republican leader a tough time. i think many people will embrace lisa murkowski if she comes back on anything. she has a good shot of doing the political impossible which is to wing the first write-in for the u.s. senate in more than 50 years. >> if lisa murkowski does win, she not only beats a tea partier, but she does it as a write-in which is the hardest way to win anything. if the republicans do not take control of the senate. it will be because of the tea party, because of christine o'donnell in delaware. because of what would turn out to be unelectable tea partiers who became the republican nominee. what happens to the power of the tea party within the u.s. senate if a few of them do get elected. if the other tea party nominees end up allowing the democrats to continue to control the senate? >> well, i think you're going to see some blow back there. the republican party is in large part embracing the tea party. the reality of what happens after november second will show cracks in the republican armor. there's always been an uncomfortable relationship between the two sides of the party. murkowski has absolutely exacerbated that. you've seen sarah palin get involved in the race. it's gotten ugly. what you had with the tea party is a first flush of strong emotions. as time has gone on, and there's been more vetting and greater examination into people's public records. a lot of that adoration is cooling. namely two days before the elections. >> a.b. and alex, thank you for your time this sunday. >> thanks. one the biggest races for the future of american politics is getting no national attention. karl rove is so concerned by the political starpower his opponent he's doing everything he can to stop her in her race for attorney general of california. the last word tea party summit. we get behind the rhetoric to find out what their actual policy proposals are. when you're responsible for this much of the team, you need a car you can count on. on our car insurance. karl rove goes from the architect to the political wrecking ball. he's trying to prevent the next big democratic star from wing office. she joins me to talk about what she's doing to fight back in the california race for attorney general. four tea party leaders join me. we'll try to get to the bottom of what they stand for. what? 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[ whimper ] [ male announcer ] honey nut cheerios tastes great and its whole grain oats can help lower cholesterol. bee happy. bee healthy. what would karl rove have done if he knew in 2002 a young african-american state legislator in illinois who no one outside of the state had ever heard of was already on his way to becoming the next democratic president of the united states? would he have tried to stop barack obama in his tracks? would he have pumped national republican money into attack ads against obama while he was still campaigning to be a state legislat legislator? karl rove learned the lesson barack obama taught him and he's applying that lesson in california's attorney general race against san francisco's district attorney ka ma la harris. >> we're the state that creates leadership for the rest of this country based on our belief that we can be tough and we can be smart. and all the time be dedicated to our history while being empowered to know our destiny. >> that is san francisco district attorney kamala harris. she would be the first woman and the first african-american attorney general in that state. karl rove using the republican state leadership committee he co founded has launched attack ads against harris to try to stop her now. >> my son was killed in the line of duty with an ak-47 by a gang member. >> even before his burial, kamala harris refused to seek the death penalty against his killer. california's worst criminals deserve the worst punishment the law allows, no exceptions, no excuses. >> joining me now from los angeles, california's democratic attorney general candidate, kamala harris. can you del the country the story behind that ad that karl rove is running against you? >> well, lawrence, about a week ago we learned that karl rove and gillespie put together about $1.1 million in money to fund an attack ad against my campaign focused on los angeles. we also learned that the expenditure was funded by tobacco, oil and insurance companies. as you have mentioned there's a lot of speculation about why. but that tells me they clearly know we can win. and they obviously don't like our position on many of the issues that i believe are important not only to california, but the rest of the country. and in particular, i've taken a very specific and very obvious point in saying that we should not fund. and texas oil companies should not be funding proposition 23 in california, which is designed to roll back advances we've made around preserving our environment and encouraging our green technology. ab-32 is a law they're trying to essentially kill. to the point of the earlier discussion on your show. ab-32 is a bipartisan effort led by governor schwarzenegger and democrats saying we want to have a state reduces green house gas emissions and encourages a new and growing economy, and does the work to reduce the reliance on foreign oil. the measure that's being funded by valero and texas oil companies to kill that advance is, i think, part of the reason that karl rove and those others are getting involved in the california state attorney general's race. and in particular, because my opponent, the district attorney of los angeles has taken money from valero for this campaign for attorney general. i think the positions are clear, and they're betting on my opponent because they think his policy is better suited for their agenda. >> it didn't hurt gerry brown, he's personally opposed to the death penalty. but as a law enforcement official he was sworn to follow it through wherever necessary. >> that's right. which is your position but it seems to me the focusing of the death penalty makes sense in a campaign for attorney general because most voters don't realize what the actual job of an attorney general is, and what it's scope is as you've just indicated. it does involve many environmental issues and the enforcement of all sorts of environmental laws in california, which generally you don't hear about in these campaigns. >> you're exactly right. and just so we can be clear, my position -- i'm personally opposed to the death penalty but i will follow the law. my position on the death penalty is the same as the last nine attorney generals of california. the work of the attorney generals' office has not changed under any of those nine and would not be different under me or my opponent. but he's using that issue as a very base level way of talking with voters to create an emotional response to really a nonissue in this race, and in that way distracting from issues like the environment. issues like the fact that my opponent has said he would join with the 20 conservative state, mostly southern state attorneys general who have said and are challenging and actually suing health care reform. he has sid, my opponent that he would hurt california with her precious resources weigh-in on that lawsuit. which we know would be a game changer in this country. i'm very clear, i think that's an irresponsible position for him to take, it's misguided and political. not in the best interest of the people we swear to protect. it also should be said i am in my second term of a chief elected law enforcement officer of a major u.s. city. i have personally prosecuted some of the worst crimes you could imagine. i believe that the voters are going to see through the karl rove attack, and through what is basically an attempt to distract voters from real and practical issues. >> this is a classic california race, north versus south, the san francisco district attorney versus the los angeles district attorney for the statewide office of attorney general. and how difficult is it? the l.a. population is much, much, much bigger than the san francisco region's population. so there's a much stronger base to be running from in los angeles as the republican district attorney is in los angeles. how tough is it to come down from san francisco even pick up votes in democratic los angeles? i mean, the party advantage you have in los angeles is strong. and in fact, by the way, i'm not sure people realize the los angeles district attorney is a republican. i live in los angeles, and i can tell you most people don't quite realize it. how difficult is it to come down in los angeles and pick up the democratic votes you need there? >> for example, this morning, the last sunday before the election. i visited seven churches. we have been spending a lot of time in los angeles, and in many other parts of the state. but i'll tell you the most recent poll, the field poll that just came out shows we're ahead of my opponent in los angeles, despite the fact that he's in his third term as district attorney of los angeles. clearly we're making headway. we can associate certain stereotypes about what it means to be a democrat from san francisco versus a republican from los angeles. the reality is, in this day and age, i think that most people really cannot afford the luxury of a conversation that is fuelled by ideology. i have stood in many living rooms in this state from the conservative current county or san bernardino county to a liberal county like alameda county, the conversation is the same. when in orange county half the room is republican people. it is about the fact that we need reform of broken systems, we need to infuse metrics into our measurement of our effectiveness as government. we can no longer afford to judge our effectiveness based on some blind adherence to tradition. i think my opponent stands in complete defense of status quo. and we just can't afford that kind of narrow minded focus, when there are issues that must be addressed and systems that must be fixed. i have created innovative initiatives that have been recognized by the department of justice and others as innovations. i think they can work. i think that's why we are gaining on my opponent in los angeles. we're still a one point difference across the state. it is neck and neck and it's coming down to the last days and hours of a campaign, and i am walking and talking and knocking on doors with anyone who will talk with me. >> you know, i just want to give the audience a financial perspective. they may not think a million dollars in the california campaign is a lot of money, they're seeing 100 million spent in the governor's campaign. in this campaign, which is much much smaller numbers, a million dollars in the los angeles media market that karl rove has pumped in there can absolutely be decisive. kamala harris, thank you very much for taking time to talk with us. >> thank you, lawrence. the tea party rails against out of control government spending. if the party gets the chance to govern, what spending cuts would its candidates make? 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tea party nation, the all american tea party patriots, the national tea party federation. the nationwide tea party coalition. the tea party express. the tea party business network. the alabama tea party federation. the code yak tea party, east valley tea party patriots. the answer, less than you think. we just arbitrarily cut the list of tea party groups at 10. with so many different tea party groups and candidates out there, we've called in a panel of experts. in our spotlight tonight, judd son phillips of tea party nation. amy kramer of the tea party express. max pappas of freedom works, and carl denninger of fed up usa. i want to address this first one to all four of you. will the leader of the tea party please raise your hand? okay. amy, you are the chair woman of -- which one are you the chair woman of? >> tea party express. >> you're the chair woman of the tea party express. >> yes. >> so you're the leader of the tea party, aren't you? >> no. i mean, we're all leaders of the tea party. this movement's made up of millions of americans across this country. we're all leaders. we don't have one designated leader, we don't need one. we've proven we've been a pretty powerful force without one designated leader. >> what's the difference between the tea party express and tea party nation? >> we're just different groups. tea party express, we're a federal pact, a federal action committee. we engage in the campaigns, we believe the time has come to put down the protest signs and pick up the campaign signs. if we're going to effect change, we're going to do it at the ballot box. we find common ground and unify upon common ground. we're just different groups, that's all. >> you're the founder of tea party nation, are these groups connected in anyway? or is it just a bunch of different people throwing the phrase tea party into a bunch of different unrelated organizations? >> it's all of us who have the same common cause. we want freedom in america. some of us work together, some us work independently. amy's a good friend of mine who i want to say hello to because i haven't seen her in a couple months, we've all been so busy. >> hi, there, judson. >> we all work together if not together together, independently for the same goal. we want to stop the advance of socialism in this country. we want to advance the freedom in this country. >> your group existed prior to what we think of now as the tea party with a lot of washington connections involved in it. what is your connection to the tea party? >> well, we've been working with all these grassroots leaders that have popped up for the tea party movement right from the start. and we have been doing it for a while. we've been fighting for lower taxes and less government since the early '80s. we think it's great there's so many new groups on the scene. we're all brought together by our shared belief and limited government free markets. and constitution principles. we work with everybody who shares the same ideas. i do know amy. i don't know the other two, but look forward to working with them on those ideas that we agree on. >> carl denninger, your group is called fed up usa. what are you fed up with and are you part of the tea party? >> well, we started in 2008 after bear stearns went down and held a protest on wall street and another one in washington, d.c.. the primary purpose behind this was to expose the economic problems we face as a nation is not due to accident or speculation, it's due to fraud. and in that regard, we stand with the tea party from a standpoint of trying to get people to recognize that we cannot solve the problems that this country has until we get the fraudulent dealing out of the financial system and the revolving door between wall street and washington, d.c., is closed. >> let's try to get these groups described by answering some policy questions and where you stand on things. judson phillips, you said you're opposed to socialism. i assume that means your group wants to abolish social security and medicare? >> no, we -- we've never said we want to abolish it. we want to change government because the way government's been working for the last 50 years hasn't been working very well. you know, you talk about -- >> can i just stop you right there? let's go back to the full screen of everyone, see a raised hand on this one? let's see if we can get an agreement on this, do you all agree that social security is soci socialism? no one thinks it's socialism? >> no. >> do you think that medicare is socialism? no one thinks medicare is socialism. you're all wrong on that. what do you think socialism is, those two things are socialistic programs that are run pretty well. there's good social imand bad socialism in the world. those are two examples of good socialism that run well and are popular in america. if you don't think those two things are socialism, can you name me something that this government does that is more socialistic than government run health care medicare? >> this is the thing, they're not being run well. those two programs you just mentioned are not being run well. they're on the verge of bankruptcy. we cannot sustain this out of control spending. >> let's stick with the question. i want to get to what you people think socialism is, because what we've established so far -- >> it's redistribution of wealth. >> you don't seem to know what it is. tell me what the government does that is more socialistic than medicare that has to be stopped now? >> you know, we're -- the thing is, we need to stop this out of control spending -- >> tell me one government program you would stop? we agree -- i agree with you all that government spending is too high. now tell me the program, amy -- >> right, that's exactly -- this is the thing -- >> name me the program, amy. >> let me -- are you going to let me answer the questions? >> yes, if you name a program. if you don't i have to move on to someone else. >> i am not an expert on the u.s. budget but we cannot spend more than we make. we need to leave everything on the table. >> amy, we're going to leave you and you can think it over about any government program you want to stop. as of now i have you down as not opposed to not a single government program. now i'm going to move through the group and see if any of you will name a government program that is more socialistic than medicare that you want to stop? >> programs i would kill start with social security disability. it is is the biggest ripoff in the government. it's filled with waste, fraud and abuse. department of energy, department of education. two programs that have been abject failures. >> you'd just eliminate both them. >> yes, reduce them to sub cabinet level. most of what they do particularly with education -- >> when you reduce the department of education to sub cabinet level, what does that do? it means nothing? >> it means you start cutting its budget. >> to what, zero? they're used to not -- >> during your lifetime there was no department of education, why not cut it down to zero the way it used to be. >> that's a good idea. cut it to zero, because as a program it's a disaster. let education stay in the states. >> do you think public education is more socialistic than medicare, is that why you want to cut education more than medicare? >> no, i want education run at the state and local level. i don't want a federal bureaucrat deciding what my children are going to study. i want that done by my local board of education. >> i have to get to a break, but i want to get max and carl in here quickly on a program you would eliminate because you think it is more socialistic than medicare. give me one many. >> there's a new study out by u.s. perg and the national taxpayer's union that identifies $600 million in cuts. >> name me one before we go to a break. >> how about the market access program that subsidizes the most profitable companies in the country overseas. >> that's a tax break you're talking about? >> no, subsidy. >> what does it amount to? what tenth of what percent of the budget does it account for. do you think it accounts for one tenth of one percent of the federal government. >> it accounts for $1 billion. >> you can't think of one percent of it that you're willing to cut? >> that wasn't the question. you asked me to identify one, and i identified one. you want some more. >> no, i have to break right now. think about it during the commercial break. >> how about the $35 billion in agricultural subsidies. >> stop. we're going to have to take a break, we'll be back with more spending cuts from the tea party. 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ahead on the last word. it is who we are and what makes us great. we debate politics. we debate sports. we debate art. and we debate debates. ♪ but when it comes to cars... the debate...is over. the 2011 s-class. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. back with me now is our panel of tea party leaders. max pappas, amy kremer and judson phillips. carl denninger, it's your turn on this question of what government spending do you believe needs to be cut because it is more socialistic than medicare? you. >> take the department of education and throw it in the trash immediately. >> zero it down? cut that budget to zero? >> absolutely. it is a state constitutional requirement, it is not in the federal government, it's not in the constitution, there's -- now, you also have to take 50% out of how would you do that? would you have beneficiaries pay that difference in order to cover what they're getting now? or would you simply cut it in half? >> i would retorborg program and the delivery. we have to do it. it is not a question of whether we want to. it is a question of aarithmetic. >> can i ask, first, i want to congratulate you for being the only brave one on the panel who is willing to actually cut a significant thing in the federal budget. something more than $1 billion. >> i've got a lot more if you give me another shot. >> this is where, this is bigger. health care spending in this government is bigger than the department of energy and the department of education put together. when you guys want to get together and talk about cutting spending, you'd better learn how the government spends the money. >> up no one is doing it. >> now when you cut medicare in half, why wouldn't you cut it in zero it out just like the department of education? >> because there is an argument to be made, if we're going to provide some sort of subsidy -- >> some sort of socialistic subsidy. >> some sort. >> when you say socialistic subsidy. they're all socialistic. >> sure. we can say it. but let's face the facts. we pay tax to cover this subsidy that then come back to us. so it is not a pure transfer. i pay tax throughout my entire working life. in the same thing with social security which is then at least allegedly return to me when i retire. so if you zero the programs, what you've done is you've that, we're going to steal this money through the taxes. and you're going to get nothing back. that we cannot do. >> let's go to another issue that has come up in the campaign. the accept vague of church and state. >> do you believe that the constitution provides for a accept vag separation of church and state? >> yes. >> i think in the first amendment you have the reference to there will be no establishment of religion. that has been interpreted to be a accept vagseparation of churc state. >> the first amendment said the government shall make no law -- >> you have that if you read the koran, the koran in no uncertain terms says some wonderful thing like, kill the infidels. it says it on more than one occasion. i have a real problem with that. you were in that piece talking about keith ellison, a member of congress. do you believe muslims should not be elected to public office in this country? >> no. i've never said that. >> amy? where are you on that? >> no, i haven't said that. >> do you believe that? >> it's a free country. that's what you don't understand is what brings us together, an appreciation of freedom and a belief in limited government. >> can you understand when people make statements about the koran and about muslims that way, in referring to a muslim member of congress, that people might wonder, as i'm asking and you i'm glad we've clarified this so far. that the people in the tea party may be opposed to muslims holding any public office in this country? can you understand where that question come from? >> i can understand where it comes from. my view is that we judge people on their character and their actions. if you want to pray in a particular way that is between you and whatever you call god. if you want to, for example, fly airplanes into buildings, that's an entirely different question and we should have a very strong disapproval of that sort of activity. >> i wish we had time for the minimum wage and all sorts of other issues. i'm sorry. we are out of time. i want to thank you all. i thank you all, leaders of various tea party groups for joining me tonight. i wish we could clarify even more. uh oh. sorry, son. you still have too many of 'em. 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