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And lots of questions to answer. So, lets get started. A big week in politics as we raced towards the midterm elections with early voting already underway, and many high stakes races across the country. The national dont say gay bill, a federal abortion ban and cats was for the future for the super wealthy. With the gop agenda could look like if the gop takes back control of congress. Plus, Debbie Waterman schultz joins us to talk about the january six subpoena of former president donald. Trump how they plan to hold on accountable as he continues to hint at a another white house run. Likely been seeing a lot of political ads talking about rising crime across the country. Is it really as big of an eight issuers candidates claim . The notion of an unsafe americas dominating campaigns in the home stretch. All that and more is coming right up. Right up and a good Sunday Morning to you all. I am sam stein, men in for katie faye. Just 16 days away from election day. A stretch of campaigning. Going all in on inflation and crime. For, democrats concern over the economy among voters is creating an uphill battle. When it was put pivotal races in pennsylvania, where John Fetterman and mehmet oz are facing off for the senate. Building debate for the first and only time this tuesday. The last day that voters in the Keystone State can register to vote there and the stakes are high. Seems reporters are really a gesture following it all. Julia, this week will be huge on the Campaign Trail. What can we expect . Good morning from philadelphia where Democratic Senate candidate John Fetterman is campaigning today joining Canvas Launchers here in the state. Democrats want to win in pennsylvania going to have to really bring out big margins here in this democratic stronghold but they are also going to have to pull moderates of course. Senator Amy Klobuchar of minnesota is a strategic suggestion to Drawing Fetterman on the Campaign Trail yesterday. And what was billed as an intimate conversation. 45minute q a money for the action that essentially served as a bit of a test drive for the highly anticipated debate on tuesday, against doctor oz. Focus on federal health and candidate fetterman himself made him feel the voters discussing the effect in his recovery. Here is what he had to say. I asked pennsylvanians all across the campaign, has anyone if you had a personal Health Crisis in your life . And people have their hands up. And i said, what about your parents . Or your grandparents . And two thirds or more of the hands were up in the air. And i would say, i sure hope that you did not have a doctor in your life making fun of it or making jokes about it. Or saying that you are not able to work. That last but there was a comment on doctor oz, Whose Campaign has kind of used to this moment to doing fetterman on some of his missteps. My colleague dasha burns pressing doctor oz on, that just lost. Week he said the Dossier Doctor he himself would say these things about his own patients. So well see how that plays out on the debate stage but that message that you just heard from fetterman really resonated with voters who i talked about that event ranging from super liberal supporters to a republican who recently decided to support fetterman and not only was he impressed by seeing fettermans demeanor at the event but also by his messaging on issues like inflation and of course crime. As we discussed earlier in the. Show. Its those are expected to be big topics ahead of this debate, where the Democratic Senate candidates in pennsylvanias really pulling out all the stops. President biden was here earlier this week and former president obama cotton adds just the other day deporting fetterman. So we are going to see these big pushes in these final stretches notably dr. Oz does not have any Public Campaign events on his schedule today. But as for fetterman and even the governors race between josh shapiro and dark mastriano, it is really full speed ahead in these coming weeks to election day. Sam . Julia thank you i was going to say that i appreciate the fact youve opened up the surliness on day to do this. I just a quick question. You mentioned crime. This is the crux of the campaign that they are waging against John Fetterman. That he has been weak on crime because he supported sentencing and pardons. And that is the attendant governor this is been a weak spot for his record. What is less known to me, at least, is what the futterman response to that attack out has been. You mentioned that some voters were impressed by it, but this is actual deflections an explanation . And why were they impressed by it . So, fetterman a great point you bring up because doctor oz really has been honing in on crime attacks, especially in campaign ads. And government kind of pivot when you get less on that particular asset aspect of his record. He would rather talk about his record on gun violence and addressing that issue, his time as a mayor and having to face the expected gun violence firsthand. And he talks about reducing the particular aspect of crime. And you can point to a record. And while his record was say on releasing criminals from prison which is what doctor ozs line of attack is. And betterment views that as giving American Citizens A Stepping Stone to make their event through the Criminal Justice system, he is really trying to focus on the positive us of his background. And he is also highlighting that doctor oz has no background on crime. Doctor oz, he says, doesnt have a plan to address crime. So while it is easy to go with the national gop line of democrats are bad on crime, republicans are going to be tougher on crime, fetterman says what least i have a plan. At least i have a record. Dr. Oz was a lot easier to talk about these issues because he has no plan and no record and fetterman and voters yesterday also making it that he does not want to defund the police, he wants to make sure that the police are funded. And can do their jobs as needed to keep communities safe. All. Right julia, thank you again for the Early Morning wake up. Get some rest, appreciated. Really valuable reporting from the trial. This morning, Pediatric Winds in some of the u. S. Hospitals are overwhelmed by an alarming surge in cases of the respiratory since a shawl buyers also known as rsv. Which may or may not be impacting my household currently, i dont know. Some have even had to call the national guard. Experts say it is the worst spike in 25 years, an estimated 75 of Childrens Hospital beds nationwide are now full. Nbc news correspondent Kathleen Park tells us more. Children with rsv are overwhelming hospitals nationwide. Pushing Emergency Centers to the brink. From rhode island. Even in the last few weeks weve seen a doubling of cases. To new york. Our Emergency Department embers up about 20 to 25 . The highly contagious but rarely fatal respiratory viruses filling up Household Events across the country. It can initially present like a common cold, but can become more severe and older adults and infants. [noise] parents of former sold i realize something was wrong they saw her breathing up normally. It became very clear when she was doing every single breath, it was going in and out in that. Georgia spent four days in the hospital diagnosed with rsv. s we were definitely, terrified especially when we saw that you need to go on oxygen, and have the tubes in her nose. Tonight she is back home, and recovering. This surge comes just as other respiratory illnesses in children take off. In one virginia high school, nearly half the students were absent this week because of flu like symptoms. In san diego, more than 1000 students missed class. Experts point to pandemic precautions as a reason for the spike. You have an entire group of kids over the last three years, who have not been exposed to this respiratory viruses. Rsv included. And that led to, essentially, three times the amount of kids who are susceptible. Our city typically thrives in the winter months. This, year it began circulating earlier than normal. It will anticipate that things will get worse . There is a lot of concern that this is just the beginning of the respiratory viral season. And so many of us are very concerned about that. That was nbc news correspondent kathy parker. Another great reminder for everyone to get their flu shots ahead of the cooler winter. Rsv is no joke. I can tell you that from experience. Now, shifting to ukraine were a major counteroffensive is happening in the occupied city of kherson. Ffensive ithat is a minute is. Morning russian officials in the city are warning residents to evacuate. As Ukrainian Forces make headway in the area. Well ukrainian president zelenskyy is accusing russia of planning to blow up a key dam, just north of kherson, which could result in major flooding. You see news correspondent kylie perry is in kyiv with the latest. Kyle, thank you for joining us. Tell us about this Potential Counteroffensive that russian officials are warning about. This is something that officials here but keeping their eyes on for months. Kershaw was one of those four cities to fall to russian troops, it has been occupied ever since they occupied, or took it i should say, and now we have this counteroffensive. What is interesting about this counteroffensive in the south is that russia is clearly using this as an excuse to evacuate the city. It is hard to liberate us leave nobody is there to liberate. And it forces ukraine to make the sign impossible choice. Do they flatten the city trying to get russians to move out of it or do they try to keep it somehow points to gather . And once again decided impossible choice that they have to make. Meanwhile, overnight we had strikes across the country. Targeting the energy infrastructure. Trying to knock The Lights Out here once and for. All people here going more more concerned because of course this is happening at a time when the weather is turning it is starting to get colder and you can see that, obviously, and he sputters. All, right kyle perry thank you so much for the dispatch. Really helpful stuff and stay safe as always. Coming up, i will dive into the political fallout of subpoenaing the former president. Is there anything that democrats can do . Even if republicans take control of the house . Thats a question to florida congresswoman debbie rosman schultz. And later, the Political Drama and britain is not showing signs of slowing down. Things are getting a little weird. 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There is a course of their nine public, hearings the january Six Committee laid out damning evidence against trump. According to the, panel trump had long plan to declare that he won the 2020 election, with results. He privately admitted he had lost the elections despite publicly declaring he had. Once trump pressured Election Officials to overturn the results, then ignores multiple pleas in his inner circle to call off the attack on the capital. As it was happening. Now, friday was quite the day for trump because on top of the subpoena, we learned new details about the classified documents found at his beach home. Nbc news is reporting that the fbi found documents containing classified intelligence, regarding iran and china at maralago. However, despite all the seemingly negative news for trump, his Approval Rating remains virtually unchanged. On to 5 38s polling, average today about 54 of americans view trump unfavourably. And 42 you him favorably. These numbers seem oddly familiar, because they are the same as when the hearings began back in june, when theyre basically where they stood through trumps entire part presidency. With that in, mind the fact the trump Last Night Teased a president ial run, it is worth asking a couple questions. Not just whether he will ever be held accountable, but also if voters even care about what is being uncovered. To help us answer these questions, if we can answer these questions, is former dnc chair and congresswoman rosman schultz. She sits on the House Oversight committee. Congresswoman, thank you very much for joining us this morning. Thanks for having me. We could be in for a lengthy legal bother when it comes to the subpoena. And trump could probably warm down the clock. But how does this play out politically . You saw those numbers with sustained support. Is it just simply that his supporters unshakable . I think that over the last few months, and even the last couple of years, americans have seen saint thanks to the january Six Committee, the trump very definitely did all he could to overturn the results of a legitimately held election. Like he said, at the outset. He had no intention of actually it meeting that he lost. It was going to do everything he can to be able to remain in power. On top of that, knowing that the crowds that could be incited had weapons that he urged them to really ascend on the capital and put lives in jeopardy. People lost their lives during that attack. And at the end of the day we had an election of a little more than two weeks. And what we have to do is make sure that every american gets out to vote, and ensures that whether it is making sure that we protect Social Security and medicare, which kevin rick are the and republicans have absolutely publicly committed to and as we know. It make sure that we preserve our safety reforms that we passed. Make sure that we can continue to lower Prescription Drug costs. That is really what americans are focused on right now. But i think that the poisonous nature of where the Republican Party has turned is really adding fuel to the fire to help us ensure that we need to remain in the majority with democrats. You mentioned that we have another election coming, up obvious. Trump putting aside what happens in 2022, clearly has his mindset on running again in 2024. He seems to certainly be preparing for another president ial run. Just take a listen to what he said. Iran twice. Iran twice. I did much better the second time. And now, in order to make our country successful, safe and glorious again, i will probably have to do it again. For the record, he did not win twice. But putting that aside, in your mind how does his presence and flirtation with another run, both impact the 2022 elections that you are focused on, but also beyond and how you think the power were very sophistication into his, comments whether from congress or Fulton County or Georgia Investigation into his conduct, leading up to the production on january six. How does that flirtation affect those overtimes to . I think the fact that there were thousands of documents that were labeled top secret, particularly those that were focused on the threat that we face from iran and china, were founded literally strewing all across his residence in maralago. They show you because you dont but you get donald trump was willing to put america in. Whether it was a total disregard for our National Security interests, that actually put americans protecting us around the globe in jeopardy. To literally being willing to jeopardize our democracy. And lead himself in power. And on top of that, you still have some very solidified support because what you should really support he has, the lack of support the as my country. But he is overwhelming support in the Republican Party. And it shows you that the Republican Party of today does not care about preserving our democracy. Does not care about the Kitchen Table issues that matter to americans. Like reducing Prescription Drug costs, which are driven by democrats in congress have done. Like making sure we passed gun safety reform. And showing that people who shouldnt have guns are less likely to be able to get them. Making sure that we can lower the costs of your groceries. And see gas prices come down. Those are the things that my constituents talked me about every day. And that are the reason that we need to make sure that we maintain the majority in congress first. And the 2024 we reelect joe biden as president of the united states. And that is what i think americans will. Do congressman, very quickly, because we are running up against a commercial here. An interview with msnbcs jonathan capehart, President Biden said he is not made a formal formal decision. Does not want to kick off a formal campaign. But he intends to run. Quickly, lets take a listen. There is a question on the flip side of this. I have not made that formal decision, but it is my intention. My intention is to run again. And we will time to make that decision. Dr. Biden my wife thinks that we are doing something very important. And that i should not walk away from it. Obviously theres not been around the bush, there are a lot of questions about President Bidens age. And weather at 79, turning 80 soon, he is the right candidate at this moment. Over there who should pass it on to the next generation. What is your take on what President Biden should do, and how you make up his mind . And think through the other possibility of iran . Im very very, clear. Sam i think joe biden should run for president denies it again in 2024. Anyone who restore the house of our nation like joe biden did and anyone who is able to fight all the way through the legislature process to reduce Prescription Drug costs like he did and make sure that he could sign common sense Gun Safety Laws to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldnt have, them like he did. Anyone who will make sure that they have the biggest debt hanging over americans, heads Student Loan Debt will be reduced. The list goes, on an absolutely sharon in that remarkable record. It will be the strongest person press going into the 2024 elections. If by the, where on top of the new crew that we have the promises of Social Security and medicare, which is so crucial to preserve the lives of people who in their aging years are able to have that safety net that republicans will clearly take away. It isnt even a close call what the choice would be. And i certainly think that joe biden would be our strongest put forward in 2024. Congresswoman Debbie Waltman shorts, thank you so much for joining. Us really appreciated. Thank you. After a, break national dont say gay law and National Abortion ban. Attacks despite inflation and more. The stakes are higher than ever if republicans take control of congress. Questions are democratic voters actually paying attention . The panel will weigh into that coming up next. Coming up next if you still have symptoms of moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis or active Psoriatic Arthritis after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. Stand up to your symptoms with rinvoq. Rinvoq is a oncedaily pill that tackles pain, stiffness, swelling. For some, rinvoq significantly reduces ra and psa fatigue. It can stop further irreversible joint damage. And rinvoq can leave skin clear or almost clear in psa. Thats rinvoq relief. 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Easy to get overwhelmed by the intricacies of the specific races. But we want to take a look and step back at the big picture. And the past couple of weeks, we have been getting a better sense of what a gop Like Congress might look like if they win. A few days ago, House Republicans introduced what they are calling a National Version of floridas socalled dont say gay bill. It is one Banning Instruction on gender identity, sexual orientation, and can run through serve third grade. This new federal bell is called, someone obviously, the stop the socialization of children act. If it were to become law, its impact would be far more sweeping. Attacking any federal funding institution, not just. Schools we also see a national ban on the. Marchand senator Lindsey Graham already talked to when you introduce legislation to ban access across the country after 15 weeks. Also on the agenda, a new trump era tax cuts for the rich are made permanent. Which many economists say contradicts the promise to reduce inflation. Thats a policy sign where the impact may be limited, as president by biden could ultimately veto any of these bills presuming they actually make it through the senate. But there will be no such restrictions when it comes to investigating. The party as promised investigations into hunter biden. And the alleged politicization of the department of justice, drawing down in afghanistan and war. Now to the discuss, this former florida congressman msnbc political analyst nathan jolly. David jolly, thank you for joining. Us really appreciated. Good to be with, you. Sam laying out what republicans have in Stock Legislatively and investigatively, what do you think the democrats have done from a strategic standpoint, in highlighting those proposals . Are they done enough to introduce the implications to the American Public . For the potential midterm election, about what could be happening in if republicans are control of congress . I think democrats naturally are kind of leaving it on the field for november 8th. Typically in the Media Information space, midterm voters are asking themselves, are we going in the right direction or wrong direction, it is often consulted with questions around the economy. But i think democrats have done a good job, saying wait a second, the right direction wrong direction question, the cycle is on your perfect your personal freedom and personal liberty and whether you want a government that actually will protect your rights to about. Protect your decision on health care. And allow you to exercise your own freedom and protect human identity. I think democrats are doing a good job. The, reality, though as you mentioned the, open is that the republican agenda. If republicans win in the, house in particular more so than the senate. If they win the house you can expect to. We will impeach joe biden, and they will pass culture or legislation. Simply for the matter of the contrast, creating contrast between the party, and laying the field for a 21 president ial. Ron this doesnt have to make it your, body because a number of these issues they can talk these into appropriation bills. The annual budget that has to pass, to keep the government open, cant contain a rider saying that notably funds provided can go to a Public School district. Which allows the conversation around sexual orientation. I would also say that the dont say gay and fort is not about instructing, students is about simply allowing a teacher to acknowledge and engage in conversation. It wasnt to say, hey suture im having questions about my own sexual orientation. Who should i talk to . I want to bring into this conversation, msnbc analyst and former Biden White House official chris wall alex. You just heard what former congressman jolly said. I guess my question for you, is for someone who has been in the white house, this current white house, how do they view the forthcoming, or potentially forthcoming, to realize how . Is there any sort of Strategic Thinking about how to work with some of those members, who may not be from the more extreme wings . Or do they view this as just sort of a likely, no holds barred fight for the next two years . Good morning, great to be with. You what i will say is some of these republicans are just impossible to work with. And what they are going to do is really trying to bog down the administration. And slow down all the progress. Oversight hearings, subpoenas, investigations. A lot of the progress made under these president s will come to a halt. And much of the action will then turn to executive orders, and working in the senate. Assuming that holds. So very little, i think, can get done with republicans. That is not across the board of what we have seen is that this president , more certainly based in recent memory, has been able to reach across the aisle and gets a big things done. Im thinking of the gun legislation, the infrastructure bill, among others. But most of that will come to a grinding halt. Because Marjorie Taylor greene of the world and others are looking at their own ambitions and really trying to reverse the progress we have seen. Some things may get by. Child tax credit. There may be some deals around that. But for the most part it will stop. I think that is even optimistic, to be honest. But we shall see. David, your expertise here. Because you have been there. Where the denim is going to be like . Lets presume that a republican majority in the house with Kevin Mccarthy, elected speaker, that does not necessarily the. Outcome it is possible that he doesnt actually end up as a speaker, although i would say that is the likeliest outcome. But what is the dynamic look like in this Republican House . There is obviously been dysfunctional publican houses in the past. Will this one have that level of dysfunction or will it even harder for somebody like mccarthy to call these members . It is a great, question. Sam you and i were on together when the Mccarthy Tapes broke on january 6th and i said look this might hold the speakership in peril. You said no, i think you will get through. And sense that he indeed has consolidated, is i dont know if i would call it the crazy caucus. In mys own congress, the crazy caucus was ten or 15 people. Now it is the majority of the caucus. So the dynamic is an interesting one. Because rather than Kevin Mccarthy trying to keep this caucus and check, he is just fully embraced it. So i think what you will see is a caucus defined by its investigations. As cristobal said. And i think a year, ago the mayor say no we will impeach joe biden. They will impeach joe biden. And the forecasts are some of that this week in releasing a letter with geo doj. Saying the issue is going to be around hunter biden and whether or not hunter biden was paid for work he did while joe biden was in office. But was paid once he left so they didnt have to disclose out. And whether or not joe biden and heard any benefit from that. Who knows what the facts are. Clearly if they are worth x, do you do with a follow. That this is going to be a republican which. Hunt but that will be the house dynamic. How quickly they move to impeach joe biden regardless of the facts and information. And cristobal, before they get to the next congress, you do have a Lame Duck Section to deal with. A couple months where members may have lost their election, but are Still Holding office. That can, be historically, a time for incredible lights relative progress. I am thinking back to after the 2010 election, when we have things likely start treaty. The repeal of dont ask dont tell. All that happened in lame duck. What are your expectations for this lame duck . And a personal level what would you like to see democrats prioritize during that compliments period . Great question. I do think i would take one step back. I know we are minute showing expectations and this is all really the assumption the democrats will lose. I would not go so far as to say that pressure will happen. I think there are a lot of headwinds, a lot of structural issues. With the elections, especially in the house. And the deaths have an uphill battle. But i do not think we should assume that it is going to change so dramatically that we are going to be stuck in a situation with the last chance to get some Real Progress will be in the lame duck. That being said, there are some components what was formally known as building back, the thing can pass a lame duck. We will think about Child Tax Credit issues, im thinking about other issues that deal with that families will need right now. I also think there is going to be some work to bring down some more inflationary pressures that might pass in the lame duck session. But again i am hopeful. As a democrat. I want to win. But i know it is an uphill fight here. Man, i need to have the coffee that you are having, cristobal. The optimism that is brewing inside you. Its i tell you. Im like my old boss im a gentle optimist and i am very hopeful. I appreciate it. Sorry, guys ive got to. Go david jolly cristobal alice, thank you both for getting up. Appreciate it. Up next, u. S. Forced to resign after a historic revolt over series about legal controversies. Could Boris Johnson make a comeback as britains next Prime Minister . Wow we are live in london for the latest. Fo the latest my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. Doctor tc rubys a1c is down with rybelsus®. Man tc my a1c wasnt at goal, now im down with rybelsus®. Son tc moms a1c is down with rybelsus®. 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And realistically, does the former Prime Minister, Boris Johnson actually have a chance of recapturing his perch . Right, sam. I cannot overstate the shambolic, chaotic dramatic few weeks that we have had here, for those of us watching it closely. Look, will there be a bojo come back . We need to look at the come back, and of course we will know in the next 24 hours whether the British Press and the rest of us are indulging in this storyline, or whether it is a reality. What happens now is the conservative mps are putting together a short list, basically. That is due out tomorrow afternoon. Right now, the mps are furiously meeting Behind Closed Doors to basically figure out who is supporting who. They are coming out, publicly supporting. If we go by the numbers in the British Press and the bbc is keeping close track, sam, rishi sunak, the former french finance minister under Boris Johnson leads by a huge amount. Right now, he has 129 mps backing him. Boris is back at 56, penny is down at 23. So boris and rishi sunak met last night. We know there is no deal, that might be one of the things we see in the next 24 hours. Basically, the Conservative Party is so deeply unpopular in the country right now, what they really do not want is to have a kind of runoff next week where it rishi sunak and Boris Johnson go head to head and tear the party apart even more. What we are looking at is basically, rishi has a lot of support amongst fellow members of parliament, boris has a lot of support in pockets of the Conservative Party. So as conservative mps figure who will line up for, they are making a very personal calculus. They are figuring out look, if there is a general election in two years, which Prime Minister might let me hold on to their seat . Right now, if there was a general election, labor we won by a landslide, sam. It is like i am watching a train wreck, you cannot help but look at it and feel a little bit that, obviously. 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Take this debate moment from wednesday night in oklahoma. The fact is the rates of Violent Crime are higher in oklahoma. Not. True on your watch today in new york or california. That is a fact. Do you believe we have higher crime than new york or california . That is what you just said. Well, incumbent gubernatorial candidate kevin stick was just mocking his democratic opponent choi hofmeister, but she was accurately pointing at the Violent Crime rate in her state. According to the cdcs 2020, data oklahomas Homicide Rate is nine deaths per 100,000 people. That is compared to california which is at 6. 1. In new york which is at 4. 7. And it comes down to, its crime stats can actually be a little bit unclear. So publishing works with what they have and they will work with it. Highlighting one piece of this puzzle. Democrats are for today that is usually two years out of date. Republicans pointed to perceptions of crime. The author of that the Washington Post piece philippe bunch joins me now to help get to the bottom of all of this. Philip, thank you so much. Really appreciated and enjoy the piece as well. You heard that sound from the oklahoma debate and in your column you called it, quote, the part of the cancellation of the partisan divide. Can you elaborate on what you mean by that . Sure. What i mean by that is exactly defy that you draw. We have this crime that usually is collected by the fbi, they get that from Police Departments across the country. The challenge is that is always the least of your its piles to add up. But this year particular they switch to a new system. So the actual illustrator than usual and consider not comparable to the long term trend. So when we are talking about crime this, year the most recent data from this set usually looking at what we say from the data is from 2020. What we have as democrats who are trying to push back on this conversation about crime by saying, look, heres where the crime actually is. Combatting a Republican Party and conservative media, which is very eagerly amplifying that crime is out of control. Theyre doing that for two reasons. , one we know there was a rising Violent Crime in some places in 2020. And to because in 2020 there was this movement to defund the police which republicans amplified form of the democrats and had used as a coach allows you to sign those ads. And part of his just the context. If you are looking at stats after the wife of crimes in the late 80s and early nine days, it wasnt a downward trying to feel good about it. But if you compare those numbers to the current today we had a much better place right now. Anyway, fox news has covered these claims that crimes are going through the roof. This chart shows that since President Biden took office, fox has talked about crime twice as much. Manchin crime more than any other cable news network. I guess the question here is, is this like the chicken or the egg . It is fox causing the history of recovering its too much . Or are they covering its because there is too much crime and growing amounts of crime . I want to be really. Clear first of. All we do not know how much a Violent Crime there. Is we know there is Violent Crime in some places, not others. Obviously crime is bad. I always have to say. That these people come after me of course crime is bad. But we are talking about, looking at that graph in particular, is that fox news has this habit particularly before midterms elections, they raise an issue in which they feel like republicans ebola in 20, 14 caravans in 20. 18 this year, it is crime for the reasons that i mentioned earlier. The fact that we do not have that crimea allows it to happen. Then it sits on top of a longstanding trend where it looks like crime is going. Up even if its going. Down there was report crimes going, up american. Stu a grownup nationally and not locally. And that changes for those who might want to use the name is an, issue even for those who cant say actually the crime is going up because of that opportunity. And you, now the lingering question about this it is the sort of political ramifications. It seems crazy to think back to two years ago, donald trump. Not even two years ago. Donald trump was leading a criminal Justice Reform movement, inside the. White house we have the first step back. It was a legislation targeted by the administration, put together by jerry kushner. The idea was that you are at this moment where you could do things like that. Nowadays, it seems almost impossible to get criminal Justice Reform or police reform, for that matter, through congress. Obviously they have. Stalled what is your large 30,000 political takeaway here . How effective has been an issue for the campaigns and what does this mean in terms of legislation related to crime or criminal Justice Reform . I think it has been very effective as a campaign tactic. They are feeling something very visceral in people. And even if they do not see them either side of their houses around their neighborhoods, which again polling suggest people do not see crime rising more there but they do see arising nationally. If we point to these snippets of video that are cooked in big cities particularly for people who do not live in or near big cities, i can look very scary. And it is something that is effective politically. Obviously there is a subtext and race to this is. Well and it is a reason why dont the trump embrace what hes looking for his reelection and sort of put on it afterwards. Does this mean that this effort is doomed in a long term . There are still comes in a much better place as you said than it was a couple days ago. I dont know. We will see that. Turns will also see what happens immediately after election day. One thing that happened with fox news in 2013 2014 is this in his election was over the narrative stopped. Will it happen . Here we will see philip thank you so much we will be right back. Weil wl be right back this is art inspired by real stories of Bipolar Depression. I just couldnt find my way out of it. The lows of Bipolar Depression can take you to a dark place. Latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. Latuda was proven to significantly reduce Bipolar Depression symptoms. And in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. This is where i want to be. Call your doctor about sudden Behavior Changes or suicidal thoughts. Antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. Elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. Report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be life threatening or permanent. 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