as for trump's other case and washington, d.c.. u.s. district court judge, tanya, we will set a trial date on a hearing that starts tomorrow. joining me now, barbara mcquade, msnbc legal analyst, former attorney in michigan, professor at -- let's talk about the upcoming fulton county events. do you expect to mark meadows to testify tomorrow during that evidentiary hearing? >> i can't see how they allow him to testify, because of course anything he says during that hearing can be used against him and a trial later. just even locking a mental any story would seem ill-advised. on the other hand, i don't know how he meets his burden of proving that this case belongs in federal court without testifying. i think he's in a dilemma here. >> people are calling this a mini trial because the burden, as you say, is on mark meadows to prove why he has to go to federal court. we know that subpoenas have